Manchester United v Roma: Champions League – live

9.24pm GMT

65 mins: United are moving at greater speed, going from one end of the pitch to the other. It catches Roma out and gives Dalot a chance but he hits the side netting.

United go back at Roma and Fernandes finds Diallo in the box, he cuts in but his shot is blocked. United are on top here.

9.22pm GMT

63 mins: Obviously, we should also remember the wider Champions League context because a loss here would mean it is three defeats in four for United in the competition.

9.20pm GMT

61 mins: United need to build on this because they have half an hour to save the manager’s job, I would argue. The fans are doing their bit.

9.19pm GMT

59 mins: Cunha sends the ball through for Mbeumo who reaches it first and takes aim. His shot defeats the goalkeeper but comes back after hitting both posts. Old Trafford is rocking now.

9.18pm GMT

GOAL! Manchester United 1-2 Roma (Fernandes, pen, 58) Like a bit of drama, do you? Fernandes scores at the second time of asking.

9.17pm GMT

PENALTY RETAKE! The Roma players are adjudged to have encroached!

9.16pm GMT

Penalty saved! Fernandes sends the penalty to the goalkeeper’s right and Vasquez gets down to save. The rebound is then cleared.

9.16pm GMT

56 mins: VAR is having a good look … does Cunha trip himself up? Fernandes has the ball in his hand as United wait for a final verdict. Penalty given.

9.14pm GMT

55 mins: PENALTY TO UNITED! Cunha is bundled over in the box by Mancini. The Brazilian then demands some passion from the crowd.

9.13pm GMT

53 mins: Cunha receives a pass over the top from Maguire and thinks he’s won a corner but it is a goal-kick. Nothing is going for United but you earn your own luck in this game.

9.12pm GMT

52 mins: James writes: Loving the minute by minute. United fans can blame Jason Wilcox, Omar Berrada and the Jim Reaper all they like, but ALL of this mess can be traced back to Alex Ferguson and that horse—Rock of Gibraltar. The man simultaneously built and then broke the club with that disagreement over money. It let the Glazers in, sent some good businessmen packing and now look where they are. For all the clowns that are now running the circus, it was the original ringmaster who this can all be traced back to.

“Ego is the enemy folks.”

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9.10pm GMT

51 mins: Baleba removes his shirt and gives it to a young fan before walking down the tunnel. That’s the only decent moment for the supporters thus far.

Tielemans finally gets on after a long wait.

Burt Bosma writes: “Every United player seems to have forgotten how to play. No one moves until the pass is made, no one is anticipating, no one is running into spaces or just trying to create space by just moving. A bunch of rabbits caught in the headlights waiting to be hit by the truck.”

9.09pm GMT

49 mins: Old Trafford is silent except for the Roma fans.

9.07pm GMT

47 mins: Baleba produces a stunning moment for United and gets through the Roma defence. He looks set to cross for Mbeumo to knock into the net, only to pull up with a hamstring injury. Tielemans is prepared. Baleba looks upset.

In even worse news for United, Dalot is still on the pitch.

Pisilli replaces Mora for Roma but United have stuck with the same XI.

9.05pm GMT

Second half Can it get any worse for United?

9.03pm GMT

David Johnson quips: “I’m a City fan, and I should be rejoicing, but for the first time in my life I feel sorry for fans of the Forces of Darkness. Keep this up and we’ll be having a Manchester derby in the Northern Premier.”

8.59pm GMT

Surely, Jason Wilcox cannot survive this utter incompetence.

8.58pm GMT

I am not sure why anyone would want to replace Carrick. Not much going on here.

8.55pm GMT

Jason emails: “The biggest problem is not the ownership. It doesn’t help, but it’s not the main issue. It’s the team building strategy. They spend too much money on too many replacement-level players (offered to them by agents happy to get a payday), and have forgotten that the passion for playing for United comes from a blend of established players and the youth program.

“Look at the lineup today. Put it in Coventry’s shirts. You wouldn’t be surprised at the results.

“How many players on this team would have gotten games for Man U during the 1998-99 season? Bruno, the “player of the year,” would have been the 6th best midfielder, at best. No forward would have played in front of those four great strikers. And the D? No chance.

“There is Man United’s problem.”

8.50pm GMT

Half-time reading.

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8.49pm GMT

BOOOOOOOOOO! Comes the sound from the stands. Wilcox and Berrada seek some warmth.

8.48pm GMT

Half time: Manchester United 0-2 Roma Another lamentable performance from United who have been outclassed by Roma, aiding the Italians with some utterly pathetic defending. Will Carrick be allowed to limp on until Sunday at this rate?

8.46pm GMT

45 mins: Malen latches onto a flick on and then thwacks a shot across Lammens who gets down well.

Two minutes added on.

8.46pm GMT

44 mins: Fernandes swipes over from 18 yards with his left foot and then complains about the pass not being good enough. He seems frustrated by how bad things are.

Updated at 8.55pm GMT

8.45pm GMT

43 mins: Eddie Munro writes: “There seem to be many reasons for why United are doing so badly but some I don’t see mentioned enough are that compared to last season, there’s a big Casemiro shaped hole in the midfield (both physically and metaphysically) which means poorer build up play and no protection for the defence and no Sesko to come on as a super-sub to turn draws into wins and defeats into draws (and hide bad performances).

“Also members of this squad have shown repeatedly in the past that they cannot handle two games a week, either mentally of physically (which is funny considering they were complaining in the 2nd half of last season that they didn’t have enough games to stay fit).

“Obviously Carrick is trying to change the style of play as well (from mostly counter-attacks to mostly possession) which is what did for Ole. Sack and sell everyone except Carrick and any player under 24 (but sell Zirkzee cos it’s not working) any other solution is just more of the same cycle.”

8.43pm GMT

42 mins: Malen is booked for pulling back Baleba around 28 yards out. Maybe United should just shoot. Fernandes lines it up … and hits the wall. Everyone go for a half-time pint.

8.42pm GMT

41 mins: United have enjoyed slightly more possession, so there is that.Rob Hopkins emails “Surely Amass isn’t as bad as this, the reluctance to trust a youth player who’s trained and played that position his whole life is worth a shot. Sure, he might make a mistake, but that would be 4 less than Dalot has made in 30 mins.”

You’d hope not. They were open to selling him in the summer despite the fact they had no other options.

8.41pm GMT

40 mins: Almost a third for Roma who easily play through United and the ball is set up for Mora to finish but Yoro saves the day.

Krishnamoorthy writes: “Now I realise that Jose has gone to Real and am kicking myself for my earlier mail of Jose driving the nail

“Whoever it is , the problem at United today is not going to be fixed by resting their captain, dropping their goal keeper , or removing their manager - the united problem needs a complete overhaul - and you need a man of SAF’s calibre to build something new from scratch.”

8.40pm GMT

38 mins: United are working away around the edge of the Roma box but do not look like crating anything. They have yet to test Roma’s third-choice ‘keeper.

“I really thought with City’s existential crisis that United would revel in former glory but also lay low in terms of drama, instead it’s as if they’ve gone - hold my beer …” says Nicola Schofield. “I can see if City get a points deduction which team they’ll potentially save from relegation!! (May 2027 final plot twist).”

8.38pm GMT

36 mins: Lulli is booked for a very blatant handball. He seemed genuinely worried if Dalot got beyond him in possession of the ball, he could do some damage. How naive.

Pramith Pillai emails: “There is no hope. Carrick doesn’t trust the young defenders, which makes them nervous & uncertain while defending. Our left-back is an aspirational footballer who’s already burned out as a right-back.

“I hope we’ll get Conte soon. If not, I doubt we’ll win anything in the Championship next year as well.”

8.37pm GMT

34 mins: Mbeumo gets the wrong side of the Roma defence but is naturally caught and tackled before any danger comes of it. United are just going through the motions now.

8.34pm GMT

32 mins: To be fair, Cunha is putting in the hard yards here but the chances of it making a difference are slim.

“I’d be less inclined to blame the 20 year old Ayden Heaven,” writes Andy Donald. “I’d be looking squarely at Dalot for that - he’s been exposing his fellow defenders for many years now. I’d wonder how many goals he has directly been at fault for in the past 10 games. It must be close to 50%. It’s 100% tonight anyway.”

8.31pm GMT

30 mins: If Malen can show United something, it is that underperforming Dutch strikers can come good. Surely Zirkzee can’t be any worse than this anonymous effort in the final third.

Stephen Carr emails: “Evening Will, I’m really excited to see Diogo Dalot’s renaissance as a footballer once the Glazer’s sell up ...”

Kári Tulinius writes: “What a season Roma is having so far! Such a good watch, too. Gianpiero Gasperini has fashioned an exciting, dynamic side out of parts that didn’t fit obviously together. This time they feel like genuine title contenders. Winning Ol’ Big Ears is almost certainly beyond them, but they’ll have a good go.”

8.29pm GMT

28 mins: Diallo drives into the box and goes down but it is fine tackle from Wesley, even if the United fans think it merits a penalty.

8.27pm GMT

26 mins: Michael Carrick said people would think he is “crazy” for looking forward to this game. Yes, yes we do.

Baleba enjoys a respectable one-two with Cunha on the edge of the box but the resulting shot goes well over.

8.25pm GMT

24 mins: “Sell United and f*** off home” comes the chant around the ground.

Peter Oh emails: “David Flynn’s shrewd managerial analysis reminds me of something I’ve wondered about for a while. Why, when their team has just conceded, do coaches feel the need to immediately crowd around an iPad? Why don’t they get up to look their players in the eye and encourage them to regroup?

“It’s as if the screen offers an answer that can’t be discerned from looking at the actual pitch!

“Game’s gone.”

Joshua Keeling asks: “How bad will this get? Why is Carrick still there? Why is life so hard?”

8.23pm GMT

22 mins: The United fans are throwing tennis balls and other items onto the pitch in protest at the ownership and the dreadful way in which the club is being run.

Jason Wilcox and Omar Berrada look miserable.

Rensch goes off injured and Lulli is on.

Matthew Lysaght emails: “I would rather have William Prunier than Ayden Heaven at this stage.”

Updated at 8.45pm GMT

8.21pm GMT

20 mins: Soule fumes at Fernandes for United not kicking the ball out for an injury. The Argentinian gets up in the United captain’s face and they both get booked. Poor refereeing.

8.21pm GMT

18 mins: Dalot gives the ball away in pathetic fashion in his own half and it looks like Roma are in for a third but Heaven puts in a last-ditch tackle.

Jason Wilcox, why didn’t you sign a backup left-back?

I was anticipating a day off tomorrow but that is rapidly going out of the window.

8.19pm GMT

GOAL! Manchester United 0-2 Roma (Malen, pen, 18) No mistake from the spot as he sends Lammens the wrong way.

Donyell Malen tucks the ball home from the penalty spot to double Roma’s lead. Photograph: Jason Cairnduff/Action Images/Reuters Updated at 9.18pm GMT

8.18pm GMT

16 mins: PENALTY! Heaven is penalised for blocking a shot with his arm. It all came from Dalot being a mile out of position again.

Roma have scored 28 goals in 10 Serie A games this season. United may need to worry here based on their utterly woeful defending.

Updated at 8.52pm GMT

8.16pm GMT

14 mins: United come back at Roma through Fernandes down the right and his cross goes along the six-yard line before Mancini clears, a split second ahead of Cunha meeting the ball.

Joshua Keeling emails: “How much space?! Where was Dalot?! Outstanding work, United.”

8.14pm GMT

GOAL! United lose the ball in their own half and Roma move at speed, with Mora ping a pass from left to right where Soule is awaiting, helped by Dalot being dreadfully out of position. He gives Lammens the eyes and finds the bottom corner.

Updated at 8.22pm GMT

8.13pm GMT

GOAL! Manchester United 0-1 Roma (Soule, 11) United are found at the back and Soule does the rest.

8.11pm GMT

10 mins: Maguire pings a long ball over the top for Fernandes to chase but it lacks the requisite direction and Roma mop up.

Fernandes, Cunha and Mbeumo seem to be rotating the role of false 9 at the moment, which is a bold move.

8.09pm GMT

8 mins: Malen looks to do some damage on the edge of the United box but is quickly crowded out and the hosts clear the ball upfield.

8.08pm GMT

6 mins: Diallo is eager to get on the ball in the early stages. There is positivity around the team and a little more energy that we’ve seen recently. They need the crowd behind them and they are doing their job.

David Flynn emails: “Nuno wouldn’t fit the bill anyway, it’s experimental European iPad manager next, followed by former player with no managerial experience. So whoever is the Ajax under 18s coach at the moment, then Lee Sharpe.”

8.06pm GMT

4 mins: United survive the first two minutes without conceded, so that’s a good start.

Diallo and Cunha combine on the right but the former’s cross is easily blocked.

8.03pm GMT

2 mins: The United back four is (from left to right) Yoro, Maguire, Heaven, Dalot. Good luck, lads.

8.01pm GMT

Kick off Peep! Peep! Peep! Here we go!

8.01pm GMT

The players hold a minute’s silence for the Tenerife striker Jesús de Miguel died after a collision with the Andorra goalkeeper Jesús Owono during a match in the second division.

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7.56pm GMT

The players are heading out onto the pitch.

7.53pm GMT

“We want Glazers out” comes the chant from the Stretford End.

7.52pm GMT

Plenty of green and gold balloons in the away end as the fans make a point against the owners. The fans want the Glazers out and they are not particularly enamoured with Sir Jim. Two home losses this week will ramp up the toxicity at Old Trafford.

7.45pm GMT

United have conceded in the opening two minutes in their past two Champions League games. Anything better than that would be a boost.

The players are cheered off after the warmup, which is a start.

7.31pm GMT

Elsewhere …

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7.26pm GMT

Can United impress Barney Ronay ?

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7.20pm GMT

Time to get warm.

7.12pm GMT

Michael Carrick: “A big challenge, it’s what you expect. They’ve had a very good start to the season. We want to be in this competition to challenge ourselves against good teams. It’s a big night for us.

“We have to pick a team, we’ve got good players. We’ve made a decision for tonight.

“We’ve got some really good midfielders with different strengths. We think it’s a good time to put Kobbie back in with the attributes him and Baleba have.”

7.06pm GMT

Gorton-born Butt on TV and another one on the blog. A big day for east Manchester. Both quite critical of United at the moment.

7.02pm GMT

Gene Salorio asks: “So now that Nuno is back on the market, does he get a ticket to the Manchester United new manager sweepstakes?”

NO!

7.01pm GMT

Ashley Young suggests if Michael Carrick is forced out, then Jason Wilcox should go too.

Something I have suggested, too, and being on this blog is mainly about promoting your own work.

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6.58pm GMT

The great John Brewin wrote about how Manchester United have become unmanageable.

Busby and Ferguson built the club around themselves, possessing the charisma to convince others that theirs was the path to follow. Carrick, an insider, a club man, is falling victim to the same isolation as his predecessors in failure. Bruno Fernandes and Lisandro Martínez going off-piste in TV interviews to depth charge Carrick were actually following club tradition. With glamour comes decadence, the faded grandeur that has so often chased a United manager out the door.

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6.57pm GMT

Bit of fun among the team news … Martinez is dropped, allowing us all to guess how the United back four will start off. I feel Yoro deserves a go at centre-back but I will almost certainly be wrong.

Roma are giving a debut to third-choice goalkeeper Devis Vásquez, who is a 28-year-old who once had a loan at Sheffield Wednesday.

6.55pm GMT

Starting lineups Manchester United (4-2-3-1): Lammens; Dalot, Yoro, Maguire, Heaven; Baleba, Mainoo; Diallo, Cunha, Fernandes; Mbeumo

Subs: Darlow, Heaton, Amass, De Ligt, Martinez, Mazraoui, Santos, Mount, T Fletcher, Tielemans, Lacey, Zirkzee

Roma (3-4–2-1): Vazquez; Mancini, Balerdi, Hermoso; Rensch, Cristante, De Roon, Wesley; Soule, Rodrigo Mora; Malen

Subs: De Marzi, Koulierakis, N’Dicka, Castro, Molina, Pisilli, Di Nunzio, Lulli, Ghilardi

Updated at 8.04pm GMT

6.44pm GMT

Ayden Heaven was put up for the pre-match interview – don’t worry he did not say anything on note. The Amazon pundits are perplexed that the young defender forced to face the cameras, with Ashley Young and Wayne Rooney wanting someone more senior to take responsibility.

6.41pm GMT

Roma sit one place above Como in Serie A, which should worry United.

Related: Como demolish dismal Manchester United to pile more pressure on Carrick

6.33pm GMT

I went to see Michael Carrick yesterday for a bit of knockabout fun.

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6.30pm GMT

Preamble Is this the day Manchester United finally turn their season around and save Michael Carrick’s job? Probably not. The manager is eagerly looking forward to this game despite not winning in nine, sitting 17th in the Premier League and coming into this clash with Roma off the back of two Champions League defeats. Life is not easy for Carrick because he has not fit left-back nor a decent striker available to him, so what can Big Sir Jim really expect?

Carrick, if we are being honest, has until the final whistle on Sunday - when Aston Villa are in town - to show he can lead United forward. Anything other than two wins this week will almost certainly seal his fate. There were promising signs against Chelsea but that soon unravelled.

At the very least, Carrick fronts up amid the misery. Those above him say absolutely nothing but must also fear for their futures after a desperate season thus far.

Kick-off: 8pm GMT